Dirty play or just a good hard foul?
good hard foul, he played the ball it’s not like the varejao play against the celtics where big baby swung and followed thru at his head. plus rudy jumped off of 1 foot = no body control
Looked like just a hard foul… with a little dirt on it.
He went for the ball. He didnt even follow through or anything. Ball players getting SOFT.
pity that Rudy got hurt… but i don’t think it was a dirty player. Ariza was clearly going for the ball but he hit top of Rudy’s head.
I agree. It’s a shame that Rudy got hurt, but it seems Trevor made a strong attempt at the ball. Had he barely grazed him, he would have been admonished for allowing him an +1.
It was a hard foul, went for the ball and accidently hit him in the head.
Good hard foul.
Ariza made a play for the ball and clipped his wrist. The momentum caused the bad landing. Ball palyers and the L are getting to worked up over the flagrant foul stuff. The portland announcers were horrible after that play( and before) and so were the refs. There are no rivalries in the NBA. Rivalries come from playing in the playoffs and the 2 teams take turns eliminating each other. For example, Spurs and Suns aren’t a rivalry because the Suns never beat them in the palyoffs.
Odom might get suspended since he left the bench.
They are making a huge deal out of nothing that wasnt even a bad foul he hit him in the head going for the ball, rudy twist in the air like ronnie lott hit him. it’s unfortunate that he got hurt but was that a flagrant two foul, hell no. the league is soft now everything is a huge deal damn just hoop or don’t play.
@8 lmao! He probablly got hurt too.
Oh yeah on the nba’s official site they show the foul but not the skirmish they just mention it and keep it moving. where im from that’s called a cover up.
Flagrant-1. I’m getting real sick of refs assessing fouls based on the impact of the fall. He made a play for the ball and accidentally hit him in the head. Isn’t the definition of a flagrant-2 when the defender makes no attempt on the ball? The Leauge office should step in and downgrade that foul.
I think part of the problem was that it was a hard foul AND the Lakers were down 30 points. There was no need for it, and it makes it seem like a frustration hit. On top of that, Roy claims Ariza was smack talking with Rudy crumpled on the ground (and again, Lakers down 30). How would you react if that was your guy?
He was getting beat and knew he would not get the ball so he put up a hard foul. I don’t have much beef with this being called a flagrant-2.
Got to love Roy sticking up for his boy. To all the Charlotte Bobcats, that’s what you do when someone knocks the sh** out of one of your players (Gerald Wallace/Andrew Bynum)!! Please take notes.
Dirty play imo. Love that way Roy gets in the face of people after this episode. Sign of good chemistry og lets hope for a Blazer-Lakers match up in the play offs!
You losing by 30 & Rudy is about to send the crowd into a frenzy with some kind of crazy dunk & then…….Ariza decides to play “defense?”
hard n dirty
how gay is that chant Ru-dy Ru-dy
From what I see it looked dirty… Considering, they’re gettin run out tha gym and the Blazers are going for the jugular. Even though he was going for the ball, he had a bad angle to make the play and Ariza swung for the fences.
missed the ball.
hitted the head.
went tumbling down hard.
Spanish soccer players are always looking for attention after a hard foul…
Ariza went for the ball, it’s just a foul.
hard but stupid foul- but it was Ariza’s attitude after the play that pissed off the blazers. Why run your mouth when you just engaged in a reckless foul
Where was kobe?
It was more the fall being hard than the foul. Love how Farmar goes over and taps him like, “You dead, man?” Love Roy going after Ariza. The young Blazers are just one of those teams I would love to root for but can’t (been going back and forth with my own beloved team all week for playoff position).
Overall, I kind of disagree with deciding Flagrant 1/2/suspension based on the result rather than the foul. This shouldn’t be a suspension… it was probably only a 1. players go for the block on a play like that all the time. Just Saturday night Julian Wright did that exact thing in NOLA/OKC and it ended up being the play of the night on TV. But if he misses, he gets ejected? Doesn’t make sense. I’m remembering the playoffs last year when Jason Kidd flung Jannero Pargo down by the neck and didn’t get a suspension. Pargo could have broken his neck if he had reacted a split second slower, but instead he managed to contort himself around and bounced right up totally fine. That doesn’t make what Kidd did a basketball play. That’s Pargo being lucky he’s a small guy with good instincts. I’m using Hornets examples because that’s what I watch the most, and I know it’s hard to judge intent, but there’s a difference between going for ball and just grabbing someone.
Now, acting defensive and douchey after the play is another thing, and I don’t blame Roy for going at him.
ROFL LOOK AT THESE GUYS SAYING HE WENT FOR THE BALL
Who gives a fuck if he went for the ball……………………………
HIS ARM WENT THROUGH THE BACK OF HIS HEAD KNOCKED HIM TO THE GROUND. Whenever you hit somebody’s head it should auto be flagrant 1/2 nqa. This is like the 3rd(?) time the Lakers have done this shit. Pretty sure whole team should be kicked out of the L.
ps the people who make comments on here are really fucking dumb sometimes
you think roy would have been so tough if they werent up by 30? i mean, ,if the game was closer or if the blazers were down by a couple, i think he wouldve had second thoughts. its easy being hard when youve already won. stop giving roy credit for backing up rudy cuz in a different situation, he wouldnt. anyway, trevor would prolly get all compton and make roys voice sound even higher than it already is.
Was not intended to be ditry, but you don’t take a wild wing at a guy when you are down thirty. He swung at Rudy and junped into him a little bit. Ridiculous.
I think we have to throw out the old arguments of “well, that would have been only a (F1, hard foul, non-call) in the good old days”, the nba has tried to minimize conflict. they want to remove any bad press and mention of thuggs — they’ve had their run with them and want to present a cleaner game out there. (hip hop style –> dress code, hard fouls –> harder penalities to do so)
of the foul, you have to put it into context with other questionable hard fouls where the fall of the player is more damaging than the actual hit. off the top of my head I can only remember a few (last year’s playoffs turiaf on ronnie price, this season josh smith on harpring). in both cases the fouler was ejected.
so in this way, the refs *are* being internally consistent, even if it’s the wrong call. part of the reason for the ejection isn’t because the foul was that bad, it’s because if the guy is not on the court anymore there’s no chance for the other team to retaliate and escalate things.
the bad part about rivalries is that teams hate each other. don’t tell me that some players on other teams wouldn’t mind mugging one of the lakers this season. karmically they have it coming to them.
Yeah, often how a play like this–which was hard and not all that dirty–ends up looking is based on subsequent impact of the player with the floor, and very much the fragility of the player himself (e.g., Horford on T.J. Ford was very similar, but T.J. is even more fragile than Rudy and hit the floor with more head).
You niggaz are SOFT. Especially RonNation. basktball is a contact sport, buck up chump. Go play Tennis if you scared to get hit. Just because you’re down 30 doesn’t mean you cant still give effort and should stop playing D as some of you suggested. Yall gay for that
people need to look at bulls vs knicks games during Jordan era and stop talking about stupid flgrants fouls
at least a knick would do that to jordan every playoff game…greg,mason,charles smith,ewing,starks.mcdanield,oakley
and they were far uglier
ROFL OK LET ME HIT YOU IN THE HEAD WHILE GOING FOR THE BALL AND SEND YOU TO THE HOSPITAL AND SEE HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT
fucking dumb piece of shit
leveling some guy is not playing defense
feel free to get aids/run into a bus
You guys are crazy. When have you seen someone try to block a shot like that from behind without changing your angle, just going straight through? “He tapped his wrist”
It wasn’t a dirty play at all. He fell like he did because he was trying to be overly dramatic trying to get the call. Look closely as he kicks out his leg and throws up his arm. Without doing all of that, he would have landed normally. This might be the first flopping fragrant 2 foul called. LOL
It looked dirty to me. The problem wasn’t the hit on the head it was the grab of the wrist that made the landing so awkward. Not that the hit on the head was kosher either.
This wasn’t a case of Lebron James, Josh Smith, Brandan Wright, or even Julian Wright even coming from behind to make a highlight block. Ariza is capable of that and has done that in the past several times. Ariza didn’t get up high enough to get the ball after it left the hand. The angle of intersection (attack) was certain to create a foul. It was only meant to stop the basket and not cleanly block the shot. Did he mean to maim a Blazer? I hope not, but the hard fall was a reasonably expected outcome of Ariza’s course of action on the play. As such, I favor a suspension.
Ronation grow some balls.This was a good foul where he went for the block/knockaway and swiped dude on his head.Everytime one of u dudes see somebody throw somebody else shit to the 4th row how the fuck u think it get there-by coming with power and force.Being a baller my whole life I know shit happens and when its a hustle play like that especially.For people saying they were down 30 so the fuck what.Thats why he where he is today because the dude ball hard no matter the score.Whats flagrant is bitch ass Rudy faking death or paralization on the damn court until a strecher came out to wheel his sorry ass outta there.Man lay there for a couple minutes and shake it off like a fucking man.Watch he wont even have no major injury just chest soreness or some bullshit like that.Gerald Wallace aint even go out like that and he had collapsed lungs.Dudes be laying around trying to draw flagrants.B-Roy even said it wasnt dirty.Its b-ball man up or go watch golf.
is this a dirty play [www.youtube.com] ? it is the same exact play…only thing grant hill is not soft.
see how the nba is double standard? that is exactly the same play, if you would view it from the side it’s the same, but since rudy is weak he felt hard. that has been done to every player and no big deal.
RonNation… Tell us how you really feel? LOL… I partly see where you coming from though!
I love all you Laker fans saying it’s just a good hard foul. Same thing you said about the Gerald Wallace foul. I guess it’s because you know the refs protect Kobe to the point that it just wont ever happen to him, but if it ever does, I’d love to see your reaction.
Oh and for those of you saying Rudy “flopped” let’s see how you react after getting hit in mid air….HINT: when hit in the air, you have no control over how you fall
He aint flop,but his ass wasnt strecher hurt.
I got to agree with doc. Dude went for the ball and Rudy wasn’t strecher hurt.
I love the way Portland stands up for their dudes though.
Everyone cept Deron in Utah needs to look at how Portland stood up for each other, and sprinkle some water and grow some sets.
Again if Ariza was poppin off after the foul, well then by all means deal with him properly!
Dudes gotta learn to stop talk and wait till the refs get there and go on and get ya swing on early!
This is too funny. Of course he went for the ball, the problem is Rudy’s head is in the way. Now considering that Ariza sees that and still goes for the ball is a stupid ass play and thats why its dirty.
You cant always play the going for the ball card, its not street ball, dude’s in the air and the only way your hand’s getting to that ball is by your arm going through his head or you pullin off a mr Fantastic stretch. I dont know how many times Ariza watched Fantastic 4 but someone on the team should explain physics to him. Going for the ball, thats so stupid. Y’all are saying that if someone blows by your teammate you should stick your arm out and close-line him and its ok as long as your were going for the ball? thats stupid. And how da fuck do you flop in mid-air? thats’s an even dumber argument.
I’m giving Farmar props for checking on him while all the others were shoving each other.
How many “dirty” fouls have the Lakers committed this year? I hope this trend doesnt continue.
rlf, you don’t think if they happened in PhX the crowd wouldn’t rain down boo’s???
As a Blazers fan, I don’t think the foul was that bad (definitely not suspension worthy). I think it would have made sense to give him a flagrant 1 because it was a reckless play, but really, the foul wasn’t a big deal.
What was a big deal, if Roy is to be believed, is that Ariza was talkin shit and acting tough afterward. That is some bullshit, and I’m glad Roy went after him like he did.
If Rudy lands on his feet, or even just not as hard, its probably only a personal foul and everyone moves on. It looked pretty weak for the guy to get suspended over, but still its too bad the guy got hurt.
That was a personal foul. He didn’t mean to knock the hell out of Rudy like that, he didn’t even go through his body to get to the ball. He tried to J’Smoov-it and it didn’t work for him. An arm to the head happens all the time in basketball. Did Oden get a Tech for coming off the bench? That is worth a technical, not Ariza’s play.
trevor hit rudy’s arms as he was going for the ball. rudy’s just so scrawny that the force of ariza’s swipe made him twist in the air.
that was not a flagrant. not even close!
Let me get this straight. He was going for the ball? So that means, I am trying to drive to the the next block over and I hit a car at an intersection…am I gonna tell the cops that I was just trying to get to the next block over? You gotta be kidding me.
I wanna see you take a foul like that on any gym or court and see if you don’t pick your ass up and start swinging. If you are any kind of a man you’ll be chasing the dude all over that court.