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"The Best And Worst Of WWE WrestleMania 29 Live"
I’ve tried to post this a couple times and it didn’t go through, hopefully I’m not breaking any rules, but I think the hands on the Punk shirt are a reference to a Davey Havok (of AFI fame) tattoo. I approve.
And as always, enjoyed reading the column.
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I was there live, too, and I have to say it was, over all, an amazing experience. Definitely bucket list material. I get that a lot of people didn’t enjoy the main event(s) and they were overly predictable, but I still had a blast. Then again our section was lively and pretty inebriated.
Also, what the hell ran so long that they had to cut a match, have John Cena and the Rock practically sprint to the ring, paste the Swagger/Del Rio video over Swagger’s entrance and have the Hall of Famers wave quickly while practically catapulting them across the stage?
WWE’s time budgeting for PPVs, especially WrestleMania is atrocious and I don’t know why. Are they so used to getting extra time on USA that they freak out half way through ‘Mania when they realise they can’t go over and start chopping everything?
Triple H wanted that five-minute armbar spot.
Hey Brandon, did you do any touchups to these pictures, because on the Team Hell No vs. Team Rocket picture, I can see Kane’s legs but can’t see anything above them. It’s as if his torso turned invisible so you could have the perfect viewing angle for D-Bry covering his ears.
I was honestly expecting the Best and Worst of Raw because… HOLY SH*T, THAT CROWD!
Patience my friend, good things come to those who wait.
Shaul Guerrero as a sexy Martian………..mmmm yummy!
I get so annoyed with the fact they need to cut things to make other things longer. Going 25 minutes doesnt make something automatically epic. I was at WrestleMania 22, and Angle/Rey/Orton had a banger, and it was what, 9 minutes? If it went to 25 minutes, would it have been a guarenteed classic? Who knows. There might have been 13 minutes of rest holds added.
But then Kurt Angle would have suplexed both men during their rest holds, so yea, bad example, that match would have been epic.
I also enjoyed the taker/punk match but didn’t think “EPIC !” after it was done too … I especially liked exactly what you talked about in it , which is basicly “cm punk is a wrestling fan~ before being a wrestler and knows the little details that will make people like him” …
I also was one of the guys that really really really really really wanted punk to win that I totally believed in it until the very end even with all the little things that you could totally know from it that he’s losing !!!
does anyone else think the Crowd (yes, they earned the capital “C”) singing Fandango’s entrance music sounds a great deal like the theme from Bewitched?
No complaints here.
That Punk shirt is pretty cool– and it’s even cooler knowing who designed it– but I feel like it would make a better poster than a shirt. Because as a shirt… well, it’s kind of gaudy.
That said, I kinda hope it’s available when I go to Smackdown in May (front row!! On my birthday!!). I’ll seriously consider picking it up. That or a Cesaro shirt.
I’m glad you had a fun time Brandon.
It was actually the first time I refreshed the page every 5 minutes to see if the B/W Wrestlemania report is up just to finally restart refreshing until the AWESOME RAW report is ready ;)
I can’t help but think they had Swagger drive the Jeep as a nod to his DUI.
You should have found those girls and been like “WHO’S A SMARK NOW” and given the Milhouse who’s stupid now laugh
Yeah but the answer would have still been him. Think about it.
I realize that.
I wore my Bent on Destruction shirt in support of Henry and was high fiving all of my party guest when he won.
Am I the only one who thought last night’s Raw was horrendous? The crowd was great, but the actual program was insultingly bad.
I kind of agree. I mean, Ziggler’s cash-in was great (and the crowd’s reaction made it SO much better); but the matches themselves were nothing special. In fact, the *fact* that Orton-Sheamus was nothing special is what got the crowd really going in the first place.
I feel like people who are honestly saying “Raw was better than Mania” should actually be saying “I wish Mania was still held in arenas, so the crowd reaction would sound better.”
wow ! spot on !! I totally thought the same !!!
me and my brother were thinking “what’s gonna happen at raw now ?” before it began .. and I SWEAR TO GOD ALMIGHTY that E-V-E-R-Y-THING (other than barret winning the title back) was something that we said they would do LITTERALLY ! and they were like doing the same booking of raw that we would imagine !!!
Ziggler cashing in on Raw instead of at Mania was a terrible idea. His whole gimmick is that he shows off, so let him do it on the big stage where that might mean something, instead of the first hour of Raw.
Why did they have to punk out Mark Henry to set up a Ryback heel turn? At least let him look good in a real match before losing instead of a three-minute countout. Or make that a title match, instead of having the Smackdown GM book a match where Henry has to beat the Raw champ to earn a title shot.
Speaking of Booker T, yay for more dueling authority figures! First Vickie makes Sheamus vs Big Show, then Booker makes Orton vs Big Show, then they do a twitter vote on who should fight Big Show, until finally they just say “fuck all that time we wasted, let’s just make it Orton vs Sheamus because fuck you, that’s why.” Then the match goes on forever, the crowd gives zero fucks about it to the point that they were CHANTING MICHAEL COLE’S NAME, and rightfully so because the whole idea of making faces fight over who gets to take revenge is idiotic, plus those two faces have lacked direction for months.
There were two job squad vs job squad matches. Sure, Tensai was funny, and Rhodes Scholars are great, but they didn’t even show the full match, and were still short on time at the end.
Speaking again of things that went way too long: What purpose does Jericho beating Fandango to death serve? Was it supposed to be a double turn? Jericho had his evil smirk going. (That would be brilliant if it was planned that way, but I think it was supposed to be just standard WWE face behavior.)
I think having Miz win the title for a day was the only possible way to devalue the IC title any more.
The only reason I can think of for Henry being treated the way he was is that if Henry had looked too dominant– or won the match– then people would expect a Triple Threat match at Extreme Rules. As it is now, Henry is (unfortunately) an afterthought.
I’m OK with Ziggler cashing in on Raw, but I understand the argument against it. But if it was on Mania, it would have been overshadowed by everything. On Raw, it was the second biggest story behind Cena getting Ryback’d.
And I hate– HATE– the idea of a power struggle between authority figures. I’ve enjoyed Vickie being in the background, just showing up to do funny little things with Maddox. Plus, I haven’t really liked Booker T since his best-of-seven series with you-know-who in WCW.
I actually think the biggest stories on RAW were as follows:
1) DOLPH ZIGGLER CASHES IN
2) Fandango’s music is now the most fun chant
3) Rock apparently wastes one of Brock Lesnar’s rare dates
4) Ryback may or may not be a “heel” (face?) after assaulting John Cena
I can’t (or don’t want to) separate the crowd from the show. I also really loved how much fun JBL, King and Cole were having.
From a storyline perspective, it also made a lot of sense. I would think the WWE wanted Del Rio to leave victorious at their big event. Forcing Coulter to watch the Mexican leave victorious seems to work as kind of a comeuppance for the guy booked as a racist. I don’t think you can tell that story effectively with Swagger injuring Del Rio so badly that Del Rio would be an easy mark for Ziggler.
Meanwhile, the criticism of Ziggler was that he was waiting too long to cash in his briefcase. By having Ziggler cash in on a one-legged Del Rio, you make Del Rio look like a warrior and Ziggler come across somewhere between cunning and cowardly.
Cashing in on at a big event, damn the consequences, is the John Cena move. Cashing in at the most opportune time is the Ziggler/Punk/Edge move. I like the contrast.
They could easily have booked the WM match to end with an opportune time for Ziggler to cash in, and had it been on the big stage.
As for Zeb and Swagger, losing and being upstaged seems like a good comeuppance. Plus the guy upstaging them has his ethnically diverse friends with him at all times.
“Thankfully it cleared up and we had a nice night, so … good job, Vince McMahon. You are the luckiest possible guy when it comes to outdoor events.”
Sure, I’d like to introduce you to Gary Bettmen.
During the Taker/Punk match, I’m pretty sure that the announcers said Taker got out of the GTS before he could hit it. That did look weird watching it at home so I could imagine how it looked from the crowd.
Danielle walked past me after the trips/lesnar match and asked if we were having fun. I said it was fun til inappropriate buzz cut theater and she laughed and hoped I enjoyed a worst
also wanna say that danielle looks SOOO BEATUIFUL~ in that pic ;D
I feel your pain about not geting the t-shirt you wanted. When I was at Wrestlemania XIX, there weren’t any Jericho t-shirts to be found despite the fact he was fighting HBK and Wrestlemania was in Seattle, which is very close to Canada. There was a very large Canadian contingent that had a frowny face that day.
Also, the HHH/Lesnar fight wasn’t that bad.
*puts on flame suit*
I wonder if Jill Thompson ever tells Punk stories about dropping acid in India with Grant Morrison?
As disappointed as I was in the last hour or so of Wrestlemania, at least nobody dumped poop all over the ex-girlfriend they emotionally abused. So that’s something.
Rock/Cena II was the figurative poop dump on the fans.
What broke my heart most was the lack of a Cenacanrana in the main event. That is my new favourite move.
I know this is WrestleMania’s Best and Worst and not Raw’s Best and Best but I could wait to show this picture from Raw:
OH MY GOD
I don’t think the tag title match was pointless. Ziggler proved Sunday and Monday that bad booking can be overcome with great performances and the right crowd. I was over the moon about that tag match.
I still think HBK/Taker WM25 > Punk/Taker WM29.
As much as I love Punk, it’s not even a contest. The WM 25 one was much better.
In my book, HBK/Taker WM25 might be the greatest Wrestlemania match ever.
Punk is second though.
Great article as usual and I can not wait for the review of raw!…. FAAAAN DANNNN GOOOO
Objectively it was pretty bad, but I enjoyed 3 things about HHH-Lesnar:
1. Brock being such an impossible goon filled the room I was in with laughter. Great non-wrestling fan comments including “He has no neck, it almost hurts to look at him” and “I think this man’s existence is a strong argument against the existence of God”
2. The 90 percent of the match that was Brock squashing HHH was more like a video game squash match than an actual one. My 8th grade create-a-wrestlers game plan was also “30 suplexs (assorted), foreign object, submission attempt”.
3. Brock is too dumb to move his arm after breaking HHH’s arm hold and gets locked in it again TWICE. Everyone I was watching with was just dying because it really seemed like Brock could be that dumb.
That’s kinda my current Create-a-Wrestlers game plan.
Always a joy to read this column. Can’t wait for the Raw best/worst tomorrow. I have already started to block out Trips/Brock from Mania so can someone answer something for me? I think Triple H kicked out of Brock’s finisher but did Brock get to kick out of the pedigree?
Yes. As bad as move by move sequences usually read, here’s at least one instance where it happened:
HHH set up the Pedigree. Brock lifted HHH into the fireman’s carry that precedes the F-5. Michaels ran in and tried his Superkick. Lesnar dropped HHH to the mat, caught the Sweet Chin Music and hit the F-5 on HBK. When Lesnar turned around, Triple H kicked Lesnar and grabbed the double underhooks again. Lesnar dropped to one knee. Triple H kept the underhooks When he stood up again, Triple H successfully dropped Lesnar on his face with the Pedigree. Lesnar kicked out.
I really enjoyed that sequence.
Very detailed, thank you blackhawksfan. I had wrestling nerd rage building thinking that Trips wouldn’t let Lesnar kick out of his finisher.
WELCOME TO JACK SWAGGER’S JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE!!!!!
Thank you Brandon. The laughing I am doing is out loud.
Brandon, not only do I always love your write ups, it was awesome to meet you this weekend. I understand your reasoning for not liking the Taker no-sell of the Anaconda Vise, but watching it on TV, it came across really amazing. One of those perfect combinations of camera angles and facial expressions.
It just wasn’t the same without Big Johnny.
Undertaker winning robbed us of another Living Colour live performance :-*(
Add me to the list of people who enjoyed Taker/Punk. The entrances alone were awesome, and the match was great on its own.
The only part that really sucked was my friend fast forwarding through Fandango’s entrance, all the while muttering “gay, lame, etc.”. I wanted to see the fourteen or so dancers and Fandango’s great entrance so badly. But hey, he paid for the event and invited me over, and I was too busy enjoying my Root Beer to really protest. Plus, I was more than vindicated last night thanks to the Crowd.
Not gonna lie, I am a 31 year old male who popped for the Little Mermaid reference. Good column, buddy.
Wish I could’ve enjoyed it with you guys! Maybe one day.
My son, who is 10 years old and probably the most diehard WWE fan, said something that surprised me….he asked if we could fast forward through the Rock/Cena match (we have DVR, but were watching the show live). I denied his request because we paid $70 for this, and we were going to “enjoy” every minute of the PPV. He said, “Please? This exact same match happened last year.” For being Cena’s target audience, he’s wearing them thin with his superman BS.
Honestly, I hope WM30 is Cena vs. Undertaker and then he can retire. It’s all that’s left for either of them at this point.
I think you’ll like Punk/Taker more when you watch it on video. It was really good. Best since HBK/Taker I.
I agree with everything stated here except for Punk/Taker. It was a great old school style Taker match IMO where he didnt have to suicide dive and kill himself, take a chairshot to the head and kill himself, 5 pedigrees to try and kill him and then be driven out of the arena because he got the victory and died. Ive seen some others say that maybe it didnt come across live, but it def came across on TV.
I also went to the bathroom during Bork/HHH. It wasnt “bad” per say, it was just… I dont know… Boring? Predictable? Obvious? Stale? Im trying to come up with adjectives other than synonyms for “bad” to describe it. Asskicker HHH is a TERRIBLE, HORRIBLE gimmick that should have never seen the light of day. I kind of get that they need to take Bork the destroyer down a notch, but, I dont know… I dont know how to do it. I thought that HHH was done last year after losing to Taker and I think there was no shame in going out like that, but I guess he still thinks he some game in the tank. Which maybe true, if he is willing to put someone over and not just kick up and comers in the balls when they come out for their scheduled match. What Im saying is EFFFF YOOUUUUUU HHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Watching the HoF now. Foley’s video gives me feels.
B — for all that is good and holy — DO NOT read the Smackdown spoilers or watch the show. I cannot stress this enough. I legitimately think it might be an Ark of the Covenant sort of situation.
I enjoyed Randy Orton taking the loss and getting punched in the face for doing so. With Ryback/Henry I found myself full of hope about the future of the WWE. In that match, they both looked strong and legit after the match and I hope they remember how to do that going forward. Plus, I’m just praying that Danielson gets a ten minute match next year and I was happy to see him get the pin. Fandango and Jericho need a rematch, they were kinda sloppy together. Del Rio/Swagger, I still think Swagger is missing something so I didn’t care too much for that match. I never thought that Punk was going to beat Undertaker so I was pretty bored and not surprised by the finish. Wrestling like any TV show or movie needs suspense so I feel the streak should be over because I don’t see anyone beating Taker at Wrestlemania. HHH just needs to go away. Just tired of the random matches with CM Punk, Awesome Truth, twice with Brock and Kevin Nash in a ladder match. Rock/Cena 2, let’s hope that when part 3 comes out that they have a no dq match or a submission match so it’ll be more interesting.
Gee, Brandon. Sorry I love you and find the southern things you do endearing. I AM THE WORST.
Totally drawing a dick on your face at Trios.
(and in case anyone is wondering, those fries were really good)
Punk’s ring gear put that match over for me so hard
I got a Best? My Wrestlemania Moment>>>> Zack Ryder’s
Still a bit peeved that there was no 3MB appearance
The Best of The Best And Worst Of WWE WrestleMania 29 Live: “… he just lost. He could not finish the food he was given.”
“Worst: Where The F**k Is My Rhodes Scholars Match?”
They couldn’t have thrown this on the card and finished up one of the other matches up quicker?? smh
I was one of those girrls in the Forever Team Undertaker hoodie. Thrs. Three t
hings: 1-I’m 24, hardly a teenager anymore. 2
I was one of those girls in the hoodies. I am 24, not a teenager. Excuse the hell out of me for getting enthusiastic about something without obsessing over every small detail. I find it f**king hilarious that, rather than continue the debate then and there, you decided to take to the web and become a keyboard warrior. What’s the matter… afraid a six-foot-three blond girl might not only know more about wrestling than you,but also kick your ass? Grow up, motherf***et.
Remember when I said I enjoy reading about the interactions between “regular” WWE fans and WithLeather readers? Of course not, my posts are really long.
If you are not a person who was actually in the shuttlebus and are merely doing this for you own entertainment, thank you. If you were actually in the shuttlebus, I want this settled either by Tout war or by having both you and Brandon as very special guests on one of those mandible claw podcasts.
What’s the aggressively anti-sexist version of “Jane, you ignorant slut”?
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