@Hyrax I’m with you. Sam’s scenes do tend to be a bit boring, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the occasional dull thing; and he’s otherwise likable, as well as useful in his intelligence (although that didn’t really come into play much this week).
Delaying a Dinklage cliffhanger for an entire episode at the wall is awful. As with, say, a Matrix sequel, there were some cool ways of killing folks (loved the swinging anchor), but I really didn’t care if The Wall stood or fell. Although if everyone at The Wall had been slaughtered it would have meant more time for storylines that seem to have a point.
Yep really smart fans just defend GRRM and the Executive Producers of his show, TO THE DEATH! They can do no wrong, it’s like the fans of that shitshow Lost. Which is a bit like Game of Thrones, a lot of unfulfilled potential.
Wonderment about Sansa’s carpet is moot anyway seeing as it’s like a freshly waxed linoleum floor. If you read the books, Littlefinger has ALL his ladies shave down there as to avoid “buggers” and Sansa is no exception.
This is the kind of comment I like to see. Paul F. Tompkins was on Who Charted a couple weeks ago saying Daenerys’ plot was his favorite, and now here you are saying The Wall is yours. I didn’t think those were anyone’s favorite parts, and it makes me happy to see evidence to the contrary.
I’m one o’ those reader conts, and I always hope, since not every small potatoes character is introduced in the show, that the ones who are won’t die. I was more saddened by the death of Grenn than I was by Ygritte’s (cause I was prepared and no way she wouldn’t die…) and also because that cheap “You know nothing Jon Snow” made the death of Marissa Cooper in The OC subtle in comparison.
But holy shit was that episode a great moment of television. That tracking shot : awesome. That Ghost moment : awesome. That scythe thing : awesome. That duel between Styr and Jon, and that other one between Thorne and Tormund : awesome! That dude getting hit by the giant’s arrow : awe-some!
Plus Ygritte’s appeal has waned since she was separated from Jon. She was just kind of dull this season, albeit occasionally badass, so her death doesn’t hit as hard as it would’ve if, say, she died in “The Climb.”
That tracking shot was amazing, as were the scythe and the Styr-Jon fight. Ghost was a little underwhelming, though, just ripping-out a single random Thenn’s throat. It would’ve been cooler if, like, he chomped Tormund’s hand Nymeria-style to disarm him and save Ser Alliser. Kristofer Hivju was really impressive with the fighting, like a damn typhoon tearing through that whole castle.
Not to be that guy, but I can’t be the only person who was bothered by the lack of sense the giant crashing the inner gate made, right? I mean, Giant #1 is dead. Giant #2 is mad, bro, so he lifts the gate and enters the tunnel CLOSING THE GATE BEHIND HIM. Even if he succeeds in crashing the inner gate, now what? No one on the outside of the wall can open the gate, so what was the point? It would have made more sense that he opened the gate and let a couple hundred wildlings run in under it. I guess we can assume there are more giants, but still…
Ok, nit-pick over. Going back to watching the Scythe gif over and over for the next 20 minutes.
@Vagabond Joe I think the point was that the Giant was so enraged by the death of his friend that he suddenly had Super-Maniac strength and could lift the gate by himself and crash through the inner gate by himself, and would not have been thinking strategically.’
But yeah, it didn’t otherwise make a whole lot of sense.
I was hoping Grenn would say, “well, now that we’ve recited our oath, let’s take a step back and shoot this conveniently-placed ballista at the oncoming giant, saving both ourselves and the tunnel we’re here to protect.”
Well at least now we know how they’re going to deal with having Janos Slynt and Ser Alliser at The Wall for the big fight when it was just Jon in the books. I kind of figured they’d have them act like cowards while HJon saved the day. Janos certainly came through there but I loved how they dealt with Ser Alliser. Got some great lines, got some great fighting and killing time and then got at least temporarily incapacitated. Loved it.
And I suspect that’s not the last time we’ll see that anvil.
Holy shit, I don’t think I’ve ever gone from despising a character to loving them as quickly as I did once Ser Alliser started speaking with Jon at the top of the wall. And then he went down and kicked some serious wildling ass.
I will give the show this, with the ending of the viper fight,, the red wedding and all the other horrible surprises they’ve managed to throw at us, the “anyone can die” thing really finally hit me tonight. Every single time I saw a character we know get anywhere close to danger (the Thenn charging Sam, the other Thenn about to kill Jon, Janos Slynt finding and being alone with Gilly, Ed standing at the very edge of the wall directing things while the other giant archer was still down there, Ygritte with her arrow pointed at Jon) I honestly thought each moment was going to end in the worst fucking way imaginable.
it was F*CKING STRESSFUL, man! even when I didn’t care much about most of these people… but only because this f*cking show has some f*cking BALLS and I got to realize it the hard way over the whole time.
Meh. Blackwater was better. The only thing this had going for it was the Giants on Mammoths.
Mr. “I’m Every Fat Sam” is still around and my Slutty Prince is gone. I really did come to the wrong place for justice.
This seemed like a stretched out episode that didn’t really do anything special rather than pad the season. After the awesome of last weeks which actually moved along multiple story lines this felt meh. Next week they have a lot to accomplish in one hour.
The “meh” at the beginning is indicative of a facetious temperament, I’d treat it as such. It’s the opposite of what people were saying last week : the episode was all filler and the good stuff lasted a second. This week, the good stuff lasted a whole hour and there was no filler, still there’s ground for complain.
it was pretty much a standard issue fantasy battle scene, the giants and mammoths were cool, but for an hour? when there is so much else going on. they could have pared it in half and we still would have gotten the point.
He wasn’t asking, and we got your point : I contribute to nothing regarding the arts of movie making but when television makes the equivalent of a movie battle, taking an hour to build the tension, immerse the audience instead of repeating an episode made two seasons ago with multiple storylines and elliptic timelines and pretty much succeed in every possible way to make it a badassest (in a grungy 70s flick kind of way) version of Two Towers, I’m still owed better. We got it already.
Dude, I know right now I must sound no better than the guy in Louis CK’s bit about people on the Internet who says “people like you make me sick” but I don’t care because really, you do make me sick, you film grammar nazi.
Fuck yeah! Go little boy, avenge your family! AVENGE THEM!
I think he did brilliantly! He stayed his post, got a hold of himself when shit got crazy and even managed to kill his parent’s killer. Now that is a true brother of the night’s watch!
Very enjoyable battle, very well directed, some great action and cool deaths… but yeah, I felt Blackwater was better. Mostly because Stannis & Tyrion > Jon & Ser Allister.
I have no idea how they are going to tie everything next week in just 50 something minutes.
They need to have Jon meet Mance, and this whole battle at the Wall affair to be ended thanks to “some of us knows who”. Resolve the Tyrion storyline. And they’re also putting in some Arya/Hound stuff apparently, and some shitty Dany stuff I couldn’t care less about according to the preview.
That’s going to be a jam packed episode. Especially if we also get the Brienne/LSH scene.
I agree, it’s going to be tight squeezing in all of it though I think they can probably do the Dany stuff quickly and also the Brienne/LSH in the last probably 5 minutes.
Also, the final episode probably goes close to the full 60 minutes. With Silicon Valley over and Veep ending tonight as well and the new shows not starting for two weeks they may have some time next week to go a bit longer
Johns going to find Mance Rayder, the leader of the wildlings army to cut off the head of the snake as it were. He only said it a half dozen times. Also, welcome to the television series which uses road trips and separation anxiety as their go to dramatic device. Oh … so this parts over, lets send people in different direction … will they ever find each other again … tune in next week i mean next season …. over and over and over again
john and sam had a little parlay before he left as to the viability of the plan to find and kill mance, john seems to think without mance, the assembled armies from beyond the wall would lose their cohesiveness, which made them a threat to the south
Based on the preview (and being a book reader), I’m thinking we see a little bit of everyone (well, not sansa/littlefinger – I think they are done for the season). Tyrion’s story arc, Bran, arya/hound, more of the battle at the wall, dany, brienne, and one a couple of huge surprises that I won’t spoil for you.