Start your weekend off right…
These is the way a Rockets uni should look like.
This version of the Rockets is the closest to a team that could have toppled Jordan and Co. We will never find out if they could have but the Bulls will have been seriously challenged to the brink. Remember that no Jordan-led Bulls team had to go thru a Game 7 in the Finals.
Poor Felton didn’t stand a chance…
If only superman howard could learn those moves…
These is the way yao ming should play like.
I could watch Olajuwon highlights all day.
Sure-Sure. A motivated Jordan would have The Dream for dinner and Otis Thorpe for desserts!
I remember one game versus the Houston, Jordan had more blocks than Dream and Thorpe COMBINED!
This mix aint nuttin. If you ask me i think its a piece of shit. No regret homie.
True thugs NEVER lie.
The Real Tyrone
Hakeem’s the most skilled big man of our time. Better than Shaq, Duncan, Pat Ewing, D-Robinson and anyone else. and dude was 6’10’
Man The Dream was a beast puttin a hurtin on motherfuckers back in the day I can’t believe Houston did not keep him for his last year in the league.
oh man would he still give people buckets today .. amazing
Hakeem is the man.
also, that pass by Stockton at the 3:40 mark is sick.
anyone who hates on Dream doesn’t know SHIT!
better than duncan?? hell no
Spencer had ruptured both his achilles tendons by this point so he had no mobility. Some of the dreams stuff he could do nothing about but how many times did the dream easily slip baseline on him, could have done way better. Poor mobility = poor defender
“better than duncan?? hell no”
Better scorer? hakeem
Better rebounder? Hakeem
Jury verdict? Hakeem.
And no, Duncan’s 4 rings to Hakeem’s two doesn’t make Duncan better. Hakeem came into the league during Magic and Bird’s Heyday, and during Jordan’s reign. Duncan wouldn’t have won 4 titles in that era, lucky if he got one.
lol at the understatement at 3:40….”ive said all along that stockton is a good passer”
hakeem the dream…remember whn it was just AKEEM…god i miss those days. and real talk MISS ME with tht damn “if jordan played the rox would not hv won a chip…” THTS HORSESHIT! ck the stats we could hv held our own against the bulls. no one knows wht would hv happend. but only if okafor, yao, or howard moved like dude. but the dream didnt pick up a basketball til like wht his teen years, his primary sport was soccer.
hakeem was, truly, the dream.
simply one of the best ever — regardless of position on the floor.
what’s lost in all of this is that since the time of this game, the jazz have defeated the rockets something like 3 or 4 straight times in the playoffs . . . just as a point of reference, you all should see the youtube vid of the 4th quarter of that game where stockton puts a clinic on the entire houston team (capped off with the series winning three in barkley’s face).
hmmm, i can’t find the vids that used to be up online, only the last 2 mins . . . if you look at the play by play you see stock taking over . . .
@ AMAR tht last play where stockton hits the game winner is the exact moment when i began to loathe the entire JAZZ organization! lol.
@yeah right-He would still give people buckets today huh?Yeah even though he stunk for toronto.@m-ez-maybe more skilled than Shaq,but better.Never that.And give me Timmy too.
I saw Hakeem’s prime, and the entirety of Duncan’s career thus far. I’m wondering exactly what about Duncan’s game is better than Dream’s. Can someone break it down for me? This guy dominated in an era with the most talented bigmen at any one time in the league. He swept Shaq’s Magic, humiliated the Admiral(MVP) in 95, took out Ewing’s knicks in the finals in 94, not to forget Mutombo, Mourning, Malone, etc.
Duncan is a great player,but he’s dominated in an era where the traditional power forwards play further away from the basket,and a serious overall lack of quality bigmen.KG? Dirk? Bosh? These are finesse players. Hakeem owned in the age of the center, the 90’s.
Loved this team!! Hakeem, Thorpe, Maxwell, Kenny, Elie, Cassell, Horry… great team.
Hmmm, Duncan played against Shaq, KG, Dirk, Yao, Gasol, Howard, Bosh, Amare, Mutumbo, etc. Obviously I’m missing a few. To say Duncan played in a watered-down era for big men is pretty insane to me. Some of the players I mentioned don’t play much D, but they were/are lethal offensively (case in point: Amare).
Comparing Dream and Duncan is really difficult; overall I’d probably say Duncan is more clutch. I’d rate both pretty equally offensively; in my opinion the two most offensively skilled bigs ever to play the game (obviously not the same as athletic). I think Dream played better individual defense in particular.
I don’t see how you can go wrong with either player, though if you had a gun to my head I’d probably pick Dream.
KG, Dirk and Bosh aren’t exactly “big men”. But I get your point. Dream started his career playing against Moses, Kareem and the Celtics front line (McHale, Parish and Walton) and then against Shaq, Admiral and Ewing in ther primes. And he destroyed every one of them in the playoffs. Case in point: 4 of the top 5 in MVP voting in ’93-’94 (Dream’s MVP season) were Dream, Admiral, Shaq and Ewing. Ewing “only” averaged 24.5 points, 11.2 rebs, 2.7 blocks and 50% fgs and didn’t even make an All-NBA team that year.
As I mentioned, KG, Dirk, and Bosh aren’t pound in the paint bigmen. And Dream would have had a field day with all of them on offense. Yao, Amare,Howard, and Gasol are a level below Ewing and Robinson imo, Mutumbo was also past his prime during Duncan’s era, as was Mourning. Dream had these guys in the prime of their careers, and proved to be the best.
Offensively, I give the nod to Hakeem. Without looking at stats, for what it’s worth Dream has the higher scoring average, I just think Dream had more ways to score. Duncan’s brilliance is in his amazing consistency, but Hakeem was also consistantly brilliant in his prime. Dream was a better shotblocker(the all time leader), and top ten overall in steals AS A CENTER. Better rebounder as well, 6 seasons with over 12 boards a game with one season at 14 boards,9 seasons of averaging 3 or more blocks a game topping out at 4.59 in 1990. By all accounts, whether you look at career stats or level of competition, Dream comes out on top. Comparing MVP awards is relative to the competition at the time, Steve Nash has more MVPs than Hakeem(Shaq and Kobe too) and we wouldn’t use that as a barometer of who’s better. Rings?? Well as I said, Duncan’s Spurs would not have won 4 titles in the 80’s and 90’s, Hakeem played during the Lakers/Celtics Dynasty and the 90’s Bulls era.
@dragonyeuw — How was Mutombo “past his prime” during Duncan’s era when he won TWO Defensive Player of the Year awards (’98 and ’01) AFTER Duncan was drafted? And how was Mourning “past his prime” during Duncan’s era when he also won two DPOY’s in that same time (’99 and ’00) and was drafted just five years before Duncan? If anything, Olajuwon caught those two mostly when they were younger, and Duncan caught them in their prime.
“@dragonyeuw â€” How was Mutombo “past his prime” during Duncan’s era when he won TWO Defensive Player of the Year awards (’98 and ’01) AFTER Duncan was drafted? And how was Mourning “past his prime” during Duncan’s era when he also won two DPOY’s in that same time (’99 and ’00) and was drafted just five years before Duncan? If anything, Olajuwon caught those two mostly when they were younger, and Duncan caught them in their prime.”
Mutumbo was in his mid-thirties during Duncan’s Prime, yeah he won DPOY but he wasn’t the Denver era Mutumbo in terms of his overall court presence. Jordan won MVP in 1998 at 35, but would you say he was in his prime? No you wouldn’t. Also, Mourning had been diagnosed with his illness by the time Duncan hit his prime. So while those two were still good players, I don’t think they were at their mid 90’s level, which was when Hakeem would have played them. I still have not heard a convincing argument to say Duncan is the better player. Better in what aspects? He’s not a better scorer, or rebounder, or defender.So please, show me where he’s better.
And as I said, don’t bring up rings because Hakeem’s era to win championships was a lot tougher than Duncan’s. You had the Celtics, Lakers,Bad boy Pistons, Trailblazers, all of which I think are better than the teams Duncan won titles against. Who did Duncan beat? 99 Knicks? Weak. 2003 Nets? Weak. 2005 Pistons? Good. 2007 Cavs? Weak. The 94 Knicks and 95 Magic are better than all those teams, with the possible exception of the 05 Pistons.
In fact, I’d go as far as to argue that the teams the Rockets beat on their way to the 95 title were better than the teams the Spurs beat(Pistons excepted) in their runs: The Suns, Jazz, and Spurs featuring MVP David Robinson(who got abused by Hakeem). And, let’s not forget that the Rockets played each of those teams ON THE ROAD throughout the 95 playoffs.
TThe 94 Knicks were the same as in 99,garbage,as the 95 Magic were young.That comp wasnt tougher and when it was in the 80’s and when Mike was there Keem lost.He’s a all timer and top 10 but Tim is better.Dont be fooled by athletisism.Larry Legend dicked plenty of dudes who could jump fast and run quick.Just like Tim.Respect.
The 94 Knicks were in a whole nother league than the 99 Knicks, please. The 95 magic being young doesn’t alter the fact that they were better than the 99 Knicks, 2003 Nets, and 2007 Cavs.
I’m still waiting for somehow to say HOW Tim is Better. Better in what aspects of the game? At the least I’m bringing up either competition or stats to show some comparisons, not’ Keem is good but Duncan is better’ without anything to back up that statement. Hakeem led the 95 Rockets through one of the great postseason runs in history: beating the Suns,Jazz,Rockets, and Magic on the road throughout. Tim Duncan has done nothing of the sort. Duncan is a great player, but his legacy on the game does not surpass Hakeem’s. We’re talking the alltime blocks leader, top ten in steals as a center, and top 10 in scoring. Athleticism has nothing to do with it, and nowhere did I use athleticism as an arguing point.
This is my personal top ten:
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I love Duncan, don’t get me wrong. But sorry, in my opinion not better than Hakeem the dream.
Damn, I just realized I left Shaq off that list. Ok, revised:
Duncan(11th)Or maybe switch him with Kobe, I can’t decide there.
Personally, I think Hakeem’s more talented and consistent than Shaq, but I can’t argue against Shaq’s 2000-2003 dominance. Granted the level of competition at the center position then was less also.
Hakeem had to go to war against the best . . . and did it alone. (Hakeem and Barkley was a joke, barkley was broken down by then)
Duncan had quite a safety blanket in the Admiral.
Not to mention . . . teams were just bigger in Hakeem’s days. Look at the Knicks he had to face compared to that of the one Duncan faced in the finals . . .
Ewing, Oakley, Mason, Smith
Duncan faced . . . who again? Marcus Camby? wow . . .
Duncan’s 20-11 is great. Hakeem used to go out there and get 35-15 on teams.
Exactly Amar, I don’t understand how Doc thinks the 94 Knicks is any way comparable to the 99 team, they’re worlds apart. That 94 team had some bruisers like the ones you mentioned, not to mention Starks, Anthony, Harper, River, all steady defenders on the perimeter. It’s a laughable comparison.
This is what Charlie Rosen had to say about Dream/Duncan (Rosen is often ridiculous, but in this case he’s pretty accurate):
Olajuwon was certainly quicker in every aspect of the game â€” up and down the court, off the floor, and side to side. But TD is a mite stronger. Olajuwon had a better handle, and therefore had more options when facing the basket, but since he took more chances he was more liable to commit turnovers. In the pivot, Olajuwon was mostly a drop-stepper and a counter-drop-stepper â€” both moves used to free up his turnaround-jumper. In the pivot, Duncan has more power and a slightly better left hand. Duncan is much the superior passer, and their rebounding abilities were equable. Olajuwon covered more ground on defense and was therefore a superior shot-blocker. Neither was an exceptional free-throw shooter, although Hakeem was a mite better. Both were able to lift their games come the playoffs. If Duncan sees the court better, I’d pick Olajuwon by a hair because of his speed and range.
By the way, just because a player is bigger or plays closer to the basket certainly does not mean he’s harder to defend.
I’m not saying that Hakeem is wayyyyy better,it’s pretty close. But I still do feel that overall, his impact on the game was greater. I think he was the more versatile player, which Rosen more or less alluded to without outright saying it. I’m not so sure Duncan has more power, Dream could use both finesse and power to get points. He’s also the better defender, better shotblocker and definitely the better ball thief.
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nobody argue my fellow african hakeem is much much better
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Another vote for Hakeem but dont doubt Timmy is very very close
Yeah Duncan good but no way he ranks higher than the Dream…no way. Best offensive center in the history of the game.